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Jul 25
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It’s All About Relationships

Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

 “Just then a lawyer stood up to test Jesus. ‘Teacher,’ he said, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’  He said to him, ‘What is written in the law?  What do you read there?’  He answered, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.’  And he said to him, ‘You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.’” – Luke 10: 25-28

            It’s all about relationships, relationship with God and relationships with our neighbors.  Relationships that are grounded in love, love of God, and love of our neighbors.  1 John 4: 10-11 puts it this way, “In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sing.  Beloved, since God loved us so much, we also ought to love one another.” 

            When we have a relationship with God, grounded in love and growing in love, we have life.  When we have a relationship with our neighbors, flowing from our love of God, we have life.  Notice that the lawyer was concerned about life after death (eternal life), but Jesus says that eternal life begins now with a loving relationship with God that shapes our relationships with our neighbors.  “You have given the right answer,” Jesus replied, “do this, and you will live.”

             Church Camp at WAPO was all about our kids building their relationship with God and with other campers and counselors (aka “neighbors”).  VBS, the Church Garage Sale, the Youth Mission Trip, and the Mission Trip to Tanzania are all about building relationships with God and neighbor, even when those neighbors live far away, or in the case of the Garage Sale come from far away. 

            As you are reflecting on your summer, so quickly flying by, and pondering the fall, I want you to make a commitment this fall to growing in your relationship with God and with your neighbor. 

  • You may commit to more regular worship attendance on Sunday morning and the new Wednesday evening RECHARGE. 
  • You may choose to join a small group this fall, for fellowship, Bible study, or mix and match your own. 
  • Check out the Sunday morning Adult forums.  
  • Perhaps service is your thing, so you may want to join a committee or ministry serving the church and our community. 

The main thing is to get connected and focus on growing your relationship with God and your neighbors.  Love God and love your neighbor, do this and you will have life and have it abundantly!

May 26
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Change and the Future of CV: Praying and Discerning Like Jesus

Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 in Churches

 “But now, more than ever the word about Jesus spread abroad; many crowds would gather to hear him and to be cured of their diseases.  But [Jesus] would withdraw to deserted places and pray.” – Luke 5: 15-16 

“Now during those days he went out to the mountain to pray; and he spent the night in prayer to God.  And when day came, he called his disciples and chose twelve of them, whom he also named apostles.” – Luke 6: 12-13

            Change is both exciting and frightening. 

There are good changes…  When kids are graduating from high school and college, there is celebration and expectation, as well as fear and worry, on the part of parents and their children together.  Marriage brings huge change, not just for the couple, but for the whole system of family and friend relationships.  The birth of a child brings a lifetime of changes, sometimes faster than parents can handle. 

There are bad changes…  The diagnosis of cancer or some deadly disease brings unwanted change and dread.  Getting laid off from a job brings unforeseen changes that threaten the stability of families, not only financially by emotionally as well.  The ending of relationships, whether through divorce, a dating relationship, the break-up of a friendship, or moving to a new community or new church, are full of painful changes and adjustments.   

The question about change, “What will happen next,” can be asked with anticipation or anxiety, and often times both.

“What will happen next,” has been a big question for a lot of people as Spirit Bound heads out on their farewell tour after 24 years of music ministry.  When people ask me, with anticipation and anxiety, “what will happen next,” I have to say I have no idea what will happen next. 

 But, I do know that whatever new ministries will arise here at CV will only come after people take time to pray and discern God’s Leading and Calling.  Just like Jesus, all of us need to take a little time every day to get away from all of the distractions and demanding voices to pray, to be in God’s Presence, and let the Holy Spirit guide us and bring us together to discern what God wants to happen next.

As we celebrate 24 wonderful years of Spirit Bound’s ministry, I thank God that Anne Nyquist and Deb Archer listened to God, in their own unique way, and started Spirit Bound.  God showed them a very real need for a ministry for senior high youth at CV.  They looked at the gifts God had given them, namely a passion for music.  They shared their idea and passion with a few other supportive people and then got going, even in the face of resistance and at times a lack of support.  It has taken a lot of energy, a huge commitment of time and resources, and a lot of love to keep this ministry going over these 24 years.  Through the many ups and downs of Christus Victor’s ministry, Spirit Bound has been a central and consistent ministry that has kept CV going through thick and thin.  Spirit Bound has not only touched the faith and lives of hundreds of people at CV, but also many thousands of people from the 30 states and 4 Canadian Provinces to whom Spirit Bound has brought their musical Gospel message.

What happens next at CV will come from Prayer, Passion, and Committed People using their gifts, talents, time, and treasure to serve God and make a difference in the world and in the lives of other people for the sake of Jesus Christ.

I invite you to join me in celebrating 24 years of Spirit Bound’s ministry at their homecoming concert on Sunday, June 27, at 7:00pm!  Let’s make their homecoming potluck and concert a big celebration, and show our thanks and appreciation for all that Spirit Bound has meant to the life and ministry of Christus Victor!

Mar 30
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Following a Loser?

Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

Last Sunday we moved swiftly in worship from waving Palms and shouting Hosannas to the “king who comes in the name of the Lord,” to shouting, “Crucify!  Crucify him!”  In my sermon I tried to juxtapose our desire for winners over losers in contemporary America, with the reversal of the people in Jesus’ day who turned on their hoped for Messiah, when he didn’t match up with their expectations of a “winning” Messiah.  The following scriptures highlight the juxtapostion…

Palm Sunday – “As he was now approaching the path down from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the deeds of power that they had seen, saying, ‘Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!  Peace in heaven, and glory in the highest heaven!’” – Luke 19: 37-38

Passion Sunday – “Then they all shouted together, ‘Away with this fellow!  Release Barabass for us!’ (This was a man who had been put in prison for an insurrection that had taken place in the city, and for murder.)  Pilate, wanting to releace Jesus, addressed them again; but they kept shouting, ‘Crucify, crucify him!‘” – Luke 23: 18-20

I still struggle with the paradoxical nature of following a “loser,” who showed us that the only way to truly “win” in the Kingdom of God, is to die to yourself, take up your cross and follow Him.   It means loving not only those who love you, but those who hate you as well.  I much more prefer the Golden Rule, “love your neighbor as yourself” (as long as I get to choose my neighbors), to Jesus’ New Commandment (coming your way this Maundy Thursday!), to “love one another as I have loved you” (John 15: 12).  But I believe, as  Dietrich Bonhoeffer did, that when Jesus says, “Follow me,” that means we are called to die just like Jesus did.  Die to our old self, our false self, and rise to the new self, the True Self revealed in Jesus Christ.  God’s love revealed to us through Jesus’ death and resurrection was more costly than we can comprehend.  Yet, this Holy Week, we are invited to reflect again on God’s love revealed to us in the Cross of Christ, that we may be drawn more deeply into the life of faith, hope, and love now revealed in us through compassionate service and a life of forgiveness.

Mar 24
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Confession and Forgiveness – a taste of Easter

Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

21Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” – John 20: 21-23

I thought I understood what Confession and Forgiveness was all about, after all I have been a Lutheran my whole life, and every Sunday in worship we begin our worship with the Confession and Absolution.  I can almost say the words from the LBW in my sleep, “I confess that I am in bondage to sin and cannot free myself.  I have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed; by what I have done and by what I have not done…”  As a kid, those 10 seconds of silence for self-examination seemed to last forever, as I tried to tell God the worst sins of the week that I could remember, mostly having to do with squabbles between my sister and I, or conflicts with my friends.  Then the pastor would announce that we were forgiven by Jesus Christ, and sometimes I’d “feel better” but other times the words went in one ear and out the other.  But, aside from asking forgiveness directly from people I’ve hurt or wronged in some way, I have never confessed my sins in front of another person, let alone a whole group of people.  Until last summer…

As part of the men’s retreat I attended last summer, we were to spend a couple of hours alone in the woods, reflecting on and writing down the things (sins) of our lives that were a burden and barrier to our life and faith with God.  That was hard and painful enough, but to find out that we would then be sharing our list of sins, failures, and brokenness in front of a group of men, that was almost too much to handle.  Yet after the tears of pain, frustration, guilt, shame, and deep hurt of my sins came out, these men all laid hands on me and prayed for me and in Jesus’ name forgave my sins!  The power and presence of the Holy Spirit flowed through those men as they prayed for me and forgave me my sins!  How can I describe the cleansing, healing, and joy from that experience of God’s grace?  Singing “Amazing Grace” barely touches the reality of the healing power of God’s forgiveness.  It was for me, a real taste of Easter, the new-life given to us through faith in the resurrected Christ.

Yet this taste of Easter, this Amazing Grace is the command and power that Jesus gives to us by the Holy Spirit, to forgive sins!   We forgiven sinners get to be bearers of the Good News of Easter, that Jesus Christ has risen from the dead and through faith in Him we have the forgiveness of our sins, the hope of the resurrection to eternal life, and the salvation of our souls.   We get to forgive people in Jesus’ name, who are hurting and burdened by the sin in their lives!  What an amazing gift we have been given, but not to keep for ourselves, but to give it away to a hurting world! 

In his Large Catechism, Martin Luther wrote this about confession: “Thus we teach what a wonderful, precious, and comforting thing confession is, and we urge that such a precious blessing should not be despised…Therefore, when I urge you to go to confession, I am simply urging you to be a Christian.  Those who really want to be good Christians, free from their sins, and happy in their conscience, already have the true hunger and thirst” (LC, pg. 104).

If you hunger and thirst for the forgiveness that comes from the gift of confession, to go a step deeper than the Corporate Confession and Forgiveness in Sunday morning worship, I invite you to call me to set up a time for a Individual Confession and Forgiveness.  We will walk together through a process to prepare you for this sacred rite of the Church.  And let us all receive and share this powerful gift given to us by Jesus Christ!

Feb 15
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Stinky Odds and Ends

Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

I asked for topics and questions, and that’s what I got.  Thanks for your suggestions!

For the more theological, spiritual, and Biblical questions, it will take me a while to write a clear and concise response to share with you.

The following item is a little less complicated.  Someone asked: “Have you ever wondered why dress socks are more comfortable than athletic socks?”

Well, no I haven’t, actually.  I tried to find a Biblical reference to socks, but all I came up with were a few items about not being worthy to tie the thongs of the sandals of Jesus’ feet, shaking the dust off your feet at an unbelieving community, and the symbolism of foot washing to servanthood and Christian discipleship.  But now that it’s been brought up I have been paying way too much attention to my socks and how my feet have felt while wearing different kinds of socks.

Here are my musings on socks from this past week:

  • Sunday – dress socks, 70-30 blend, a little thin for the weather, but comfortable.
  • Monday – casual socks, 100% cotton, thicker than dress socks, and work well with my shoes, very comfortable.
  • Tuesday – athletic socks from REI, a blend of high tech fabrics, warm and comfortable
  • Wednesday – casual socks, a less expensive pair that I’ve had for a while, too thin in spots, uncomfortable enough to toss.
  • Thursday – casual socks, another old pair of socks, reminds me I haven’t bought new socks in a while.
  • Friday – yet another old pair of socks, even a little hole by the toe.  Hmm, time for a run to Target.
  • Saturday – a warm comfy pair of socks!
  • Sunday – wore a pair of dress socks for the 13 hours I was at church, and my feet felt just fine.

My conclusion has to be, whether you are wearing dress socks or athletic socks, wear socks that aren’t old and thin nor socks with holes.  I also was reminded that feet sweat a lot!  According to the website “How Stuff Works”“With more than 250,000 sweat glands each, your feet are among the most perspiring parts of the body. In one day, each foot can produce more than a pint of sweat!”  Eewww!

Now the reason why I am trying to gross you out with that tidbit of information is to set the stage for a story about learning to be a servant and disciple of Jesus Christ through the aforementioned ritual of washing feet.

It was the final night of our two week church camp counselor training.  We were gathered in a circle in the main lodge for worship and the ritual of foot washing, as a sign of our servant life together as a community of Christian disciples.  We had been tromping around camp all day long wearing our heavy hiking boots (this was at Christikon in the mountains of Montana!).  It had been an exhilarating two weeks of learning, growing, and bonding with new friends.  I was sitting happily on the floor in the circle between two of my new friends, as the wash basin and towel came around.  One by one we knelt at the feet of our friends, took off their shoes or boots, and then washed their feet.  The guitars were playing and people were singing and crying with the powerful spirit of the whole experience, when my buddy leaned over and whispered, “you’ll have to skip me.”

“Wha’?” I mumbled.

“You’ll have to skip me.  If you take off my boots, my bad foot odor will kill you and everyone else in a five mile radius!”  (OK, he didn’t say a “five mile radius” or “kill you” but he was serious.)

Then the wash basin and towel were passed to me.  My friend gave me a look of fear and I hesitated.  But feeling all eyes upon me I started to untie his boots, which took a while, until I slowly started to take the first boot off.  I never knew that smells could hurt!  I jerked away gagging.  The people on either side of us leaned as far away as possible, covering their faces.  My friend just shrugged, as if to say, “I warned you.”

As I tried to control myself (ask my wife about my changing diapers sometime, if you need a good laugh), I then realized I still had to take off his sock!!!

Now at this point I began to realize that what had started out as a touching, powerful experience to complete our training as Christian church camp counselors, had taken on a new, less pleasant, though more deeply spiritual and powerful experience for me.  ”Servanthood,” “discipleship,” “community in Christ,” these are all nice, feel-good phrases and concepts, if you can keep them abstract, sterile, and clean, and away from your nose.  But when a person, and not a concept, is in front of you, and you are called to be their servant, that’s when things get hard, messy, and very, very real.  Truth be told, it is something that we avoid.  Not only don’t we want people to take off those things that hide and cover up the “stinky” parts of our own lives, we don’t want to have to deal with the “stinky”
problems of others either.  So we smile nicely at each other and sweetly reply that everything is going “just fine,” even when it is not.  We all know that isn’t what community in Christ or Christian discipleship is about, but at least it doesn’t smell, or offend us, or challenge us to go beyond our own comfort zone and resources to rely on God for help.

I have to admit that I only washed his one foot.  Partially because of the, well, smell, and because everyone else was waiting for us to finish up (that’s my lame excuse, and I’m sticking with it!).

So, from a question about the comfort of socks, to the discomfort of discipleship and servanthood.  Keep those questions coming, you never know where they will end up.

Feb 12
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Numerical Growth – or not

Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

How do churches grow?  Well, a quick answer is, “Only through Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit.”  A more nuanced answer is that churches grow in different ways and are at different stages of growth – some numerically, some organically, some in maturity, and others grow by incarnating Jesus’ love for others.  While we may stumble over definitions, strategies, and even priorities, for the Church of Jesus Christ, it is an expectation that we continue growing in all of these different ways.

On Tuesday night I had the staff and committees of the church look at the different ways churches grow, and give me their perspective.  Here is a sampling of responses on the area of Numerical Growth:

Positive Growth -

  • Participation in our ministries is up, including non-members
  • The number of ministries is up
  • The number of kids in the new youth choir is up
  • The number of youth involved is up
  • The number of people being served and impacted through our ministries, especially our service/outreach ministries is way up

Negative Growth (also known as stagnation or decline) -

  • Worship attendance has slipped down again, to under 250 per Sunday (back where things were 11 years ago)
  • Number of pledges and budget is down
  • Slight growth in membership
  • Decline in visitors

What does all this mean?  Overall we are not growing numerically.

Historically, Christus Victor has gone through a number of cycles of church membership growth and decline.  The highest point was in the mid-1980′s when worship attendance hit an average of 450 a Sunday, and then, for a number of reasons, dropped the next year to 250.  In 1998 the average attendance was 270.  It grew to 330 for a few years in 2004 and 2005, and then started to slip a little each year, back to the 1998 level in 2009.

There are both internal and external issues at work, effecting church growth and decline.  One book that has greatly informed and challenged my thinking is “Transforming Congregational Culture” by Anthony Robinson.  In the first chapters, Robinson addresses the many cultural changes that have occured in our country, and how those changes are speeding up.  Yet, I find it too easy to point the finger outside the church, and so does Robinson.  We need to be asking some serious questions, even basic questions of ourselves.  The first question we need to ask and answer is the PURPOSE question:  “What is our purpose/mission?”  and “How is it going?”

We are starting to ask these questions, to find out how it is going, but more importantly to listen where God may be calling us to change for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  I hope you will share your insights, questions, and ideas in the weeks and months ahead as we seek to be faithful to God’s call and command to grow – in faith, hope, and love of God and our neighbors.

Jan 20
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Ways Churches Grow (or don’t)

Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

I’ve been rereading a great book from the Alban Institute called, “More than numbers: the ways churches grow.”

Author, Loren Mead, lays out four different ways churches grow, or don’t grow, as the case may be.  Those ways are:

  • Numerical Growth – membership, attendance, participation, financial support, and budgets
  • Maturational Growth – spiritual growth in maturity of faith and living as disciples of Jesus Christ
  • Organic Growth – organizational growth, the structures, discipleship and leadership processes, and even facilities meeting missional needs
  • Incarnational Growth – missional growth in serving the needs of people in the community and around the world (this includes Evangelism, which is also connected to Maturational Growth).

While numbers, or the bottom line, are the things we focus on the most, as we have been taught by our culture, that is only one indicator of growth, or even health in a church.  All four aspects of church health and growth are needed for a truly growing and vibrant congregation.

The information and discussion questions in Mead’s book line up nicely with the research and the international ministry of Natural Church Development .  They take a holistic and principle based approach to church growth and health.  Churches need to look honestly at all aspects of their ministry, identifying both their strengths and weaknesses.  Then they can address steps to improve and strengthen those areas that are hindering the whole ministry of the church.

In preparing for and reviewing the accomplishments and goals of the many committees of the church, looking at the church budget and our stewardship trends, reflecting on the faithful work of those council members stepping down, and on the new council members stepping up as servant leaders of our church, I am struck by the fact that we are a work in progress at Christus Victor.  God has done, and continues to do, wonderful things through the ministries of our church and in the faith and life of members and those we serve in our community and around the world.  And yet, we are called to follow Jesus, which means being open to change and being changed for the sake of the Gospel and the Kingdom of God.  One of my goals this coming year is to take stock of where we are and where we need to grow, change, and improve for the sake of the whole ministry of the church, that we may listen to God and follow where the Spirit leads.

Dec 13

Danger, Danger!! We’re going to open the Bible!

Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

Did I get your attention?  Good.

It is a dangerous thing when we open the Bible and begin to read, for in and through these words, written and translated by many different people throughout the ages, God in fact speaks to us and does something to and with us.  This book, this Word of God, both kills us and gives us life.  Hence the whole “danger” thing.

Which makes me so glad that there are five adult small groups, risking the “dangers” of the Bible, gathering together each month for Bible study.  They are learning about different characters and stories of the Bible, or looking deeply at one book of the Bible, or learning more about a particular theme that runs throughout the Bible.  All of which, I hope, is helping them grow in their understanding of what God is trying to tell them and do to them, both as individuals and as a group.  And not only in their understanding of what God has said and done in the past, but more importantly what God is saying and doing today to draw people into a faith relationship with Jesus Christ.

On Sunday, Dec. 6, we began the first of our series on “How Lutherans Interpret the Bible,” as part of our church’s process to study and discuss the Biblical texts at the center of the controversy over the ELCA resolutions.  And I am grateful that so many people attended the first session, and hopefully will follow through on all of the rest.   Or, if people are not able to attend on Sundays, that they sign up to attend the Thursday classes starting in mid-January (sign up at the info desk!).

It is hard work, and risky, when we gather together to discuss both how different people approach and understand the Bible.  It becomes even more challenging and risky, when we have clarified in our own mind and heart, to then begin to share how we approach and understand the Bible.  The ante goes up further when we listen and hear other Christians who have a different approach and understanding of the Bible, which leads them to interpret things differently from ourselves.  As if that doesn’t cause people to faint with trepidation, God promises to show up in our dialog and discussion, to say to us exactly what God wants to say to all of us, and, as often happens, transform all of our understandings to bring us closer to God’s will and heart.  As Mark Allen Powell reminds us, the Bible gives us Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God!

For those who wish to go a little deeper in pondering questions related to our interpretations and approaches to the Bible I strongly recommend this article by Prof. Walter Brueggemann on Biblical Authority and the Church.  It is well worth the slow, careful read.

Nov 25

“How Lutherans Interpret the Bible” and the ELCA Resolutions

Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 in Churches, Journey of Discipleship

The follow-up Study and Discussion Sessions on the Biblical and Theological issues surrounding the ELCA resolutions regarding same-sex relationships and homosexual clergy will be starting up in December!  There will be two sessions offered, one on Sunday mornings starting on December 6 for the Adult Forum at 9:45am, and one on Thursday evenings starting on January 14 at 7:00pm.  *PLEASE SIGN UP AT THE INFORMATION DESK – or – email me at pastor.kent@christusvictor.org.

We will be using Mark Allen Powell’s series “How Lutherans Interpret the Bible” to give us a foundation to work from as we begin to address the Biblical texts in question.  The seven sessions will cover:

  • The Word of God
  • What Lutherans Say About the Bible
  • Where the Bible Comes From
  • Interpreting the Bible in Context
  • Determining Right from Wrong
  • The Many Meanings of the Bible
  • Devotional Bible Reading

Sunday Forum Schedule: Dec. 6, Dec. 13, Jan. 10, (Jan. 17 – Committee Fair; Jan. 24 – Annual Meeting), Jan. 31, Feb. 7, Feb. 14.

Thursday Evening Schedule: Jan. 14, Jan. 21, Jan. 28, Feb. 4, Feb. 11, Feb. 18, Mar. 4

Please contact me if you have any questions about this series. 

It is my deep hope and prayer that a large number of Christus Victor members and all interested people will take the opportunity to learn more about the Bible and our Lutheran Theology, to help guide and shape our discussions and discernment when we confront any disagreement over the intrepretation and application of the Scriptures in our individual and communal lives of faith as disciples of Jesus Christ.

Nov 18

An open letter to the church in response to a note from a church member.

Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 in Churches

(*This is not just a response to one letter from a church member, but to the many emails and notes I have received from church members in regards to the ELCA resolutions.  Our church members do not easily fall into clearly defined categories, but represent a broad spectrum of beliefs and opinions on these matters.  I offer this to those who are looking for a quick or easy fix to the problems facing the church, especially those who are looking for the “right answer” from me.)


To my friend in Christ,

My grandpa always quoted this Native American proverb: “Don’t judge anyone until you have walked many miles in their moccasins.” Another is like it, “Seek to understand before you seek to be understood.” In the best of times putting these proverbs into practice is difficult. When we are dealing with deeply held beliefs, it is even more difficult if not next to impossible. So, I thank you for sharing your beliefs, concerns, and thoughts with me.

I appreciate the proverb you shared with me: “Vision without action is only a dream. Action without vision is a waste of time. Vision and action can change the world.” I appreciate your call for a clear vision for the church, along with clear actions to change the world. I believe that is exactly what Jesus Christ came to accomplish through his death and resurrection, and give to us to fulfill, as difficult as it is for us to accept and to do. Jesus taught us the Greatest Commandments, “Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it; You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22: 37-40). Without God’s grace in Jesus Christ, I would not be able to even try to live out these greatest commandments in my life.

Every Sunday I do my best to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I have no illusions that everyone agrees with everything I say, nor do I make the mistake that I can make anyone believe or do anything that they don’t want to. This church is full of people who believe and do all sorts of different things, some of which I am OK with, and some I am not. But I can no more make someone a Christian than I can make it rain or the sun shine. That is up to God and the Holy Spirit to do.

It is the responsibility and burden of the Christian disciples/members of Christus Victor to interpret and apply what the Bible says to our ministry, mission, and shared life together. This was given to the Church by Christ Jesus himself, referred to as “the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 16: 18-19 and Matthew 18: 18-20). What is black and white to you is not black and white to other Christians who take the Bible as seriously as you do. What is not open to interpretation for you is open to interpretation for others. The most important thing in the midst of our disagreements is not who will win and who will lose in our disagreements, but where is God leading us through the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ?

No one can make the members of this church do or believe anything. Not the government, not the ELCA, and most certainly not me. In fact the ELCA resolutions give it back to each individual church to make their own decisions on the blessing of same-sex relationships and the calling of homosexual pastors. It would not be by a simple majority either, but a 2/3rds majority to make any changes to our constitution, or even in the calling of a pastor. So, I personally see no reason to hold a church vote to make any changes to our constitution at this time, and we are not going to be calling a pastor any time soon either.

However, it is clear to me that a significant number of our church members do want to have a vote on these issues, both those that agree and those that disagree with the ELCA resolutions.  A growing number of our members want to “take a stand,” and I can tell you with great certainty that there is not a 2/3rds majority on either side of this issue! Therefore, at some point in the near future it will come back to you and all of the disciples/members of Christus Victor to state and vote on what you believe. And after the vote everyone will have to decide whether they will stay at Christus Victor to work and serve together as disciples of Jesus Christ, or seek another church to join. Either way, it seems pretty certain that we will lose members and their gifts of service, leadership, and offerings, which will damage all of the ministries and mission of the church that we have worked so hard to build and grow.

So I am trying to listen to the Holy Spirit, trust in God to lead and guide us, hold onto the love and grace of Jesus Christ, and leave this in the hands of the disciples/members of CV to decide.

This is probably more than you were expecting, but your letter brought forth a lot of the things I have been dwelling on and struggling with these past few months.

Yours in Christ,

Pastor Kent Claussen Gubrud